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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2006/01/27/redferns-dismissal-of-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-363</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m down with that.  I was actually just thinking this morning how I could take and run with this positively.  I&#039;ve got some ideas that I will put out there soon.  I like this approach.  We can get all stirred up and such, but if we aren&#039;t willing to affect the change we want, then why do it?  

Good advice...let&#039;s do run with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m down with that.  I was actually just thinking this morning how I could take and run with this positively.  I&#8217;ve got some ideas that I will put out there soon.  I like this approach.  We can get all stirred up and such, but if we aren&#8217;t willing to affect the change we want, then why do it?  </p>
<p>Good advice&#8230;let&#8217;s do run with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2006/01/27/redferns-dismissal-of-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so, to be fair to Chris Redfern (while still acknowledging that it was a 45 minute conversation and I didn&#039;t report every single word), the final thing he said to me, once and maybe even twice I think, was, Please let me know: How can we do a better job with blogs?  

Why at the end?  Why at all?  Is it sincere?  Is it disingenuous?  Well, now the MTB next month with him in Columbus has a conversation to continue or follow-up (or ignore if they choose, I wouldn&#039;t take that personally).

And last, the best way to test the sincerity of this invitation to give advice to the ODP about blogs:  LET&#039;S DO IT.  And THEN see what happens.  If nothing happens at all, out of x number of suggestions, well...

That, at least, is always my approach: take someone at face value, follow/accept the invitation and then see what comes of it.  You&#039;ll never know until you try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so, to be fair to Chris Redfern (while still acknowledging that it was a 45 minute conversation and I didn&#8217;t report every single word), the final thing he said to me, once and maybe even twice I think, was, Please let me know: How can we do a better job with blogs?  </p>
<p>Why at the end?  Why at all?  Is it sincere?  Is it disingenuous?  Well, now the MTB next month with him in Columbus has a conversation to continue or follow-up (or ignore if they choose, I wouldn&#8217;t take that personally).</p>
<p>And last, the best way to test the sincerity of this invitation to give advice to the ODP about blogs:  LET&#8217;S DO IT.  And THEN see what happens.  If nothing happens at all, out of x number of suggestions, well&#8230;</p>
<p>That, at least, is always my approach: take someone at face value, follow/accept the invitation and then see what comes of it.  You&#8217;ll never know until you try.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2006/01/27/redferns-dismissal-of-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well yes, in fact, it is the exact opposite!  Look at Sherrod&#039;s early attempts at neutralizing Hackett&#039;s natural blogosphere advantage.  His dismissive attitude about blogs got him a ton of bad ...hmmm can&#039;t say &quot;press&quot;...&quot;blog&quot;  tons of bad blog.  Yes he did start Grow Ohio - now labeled Groan Ohio by those who can read between the lines - and talks about being a supporter of blogs, but never quite got how to handle blog heat.

So implying we don&#039;t matter only bolsters the movement in my mind.  Stirs up the bees nest in a way.  Maybe even adds a node here or there.  The right way to react is the way Fingerhut&#039;s folks have as well as Joe Sulzer&#039;s people.  They get it.

If I were Redfern I&#039;d have a full-time netroots person who coordinates with other party strategy and message people in other media in order to fully leverage this &quot;free&quot; resource.  Yes, we are free much as getting the paper to write about your stuff is free...but someone has to coordinate that.  Zero resources just doesn&#039;t get it for me.

This disconnect between candidates and party in terms of online strategy is problematic and I hope we hear from Chris on this again soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well yes, in fact, it is the exact opposite!  Look at Sherrod&#8217;s early attempts at neutralizing Hackett&#8217;s natural blogosphere advantage.  His dismissive attitude about blogs got him a ton of bad &#8230;hmmm can&#8217;t say &#8220;press&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;blog&#8221;  tons of bad blog.  Yes he did start Grow Ohio &#8211; now labeled Groan Ohio by those who can read between the lines &#8211; and talks about being a supporter of blogs, but never quite got how to handle blog heat.</p>
<p>So implying we don&#8217;t matter only bolsters the movement in my mind.  Stirs up the bees nest in a way.  Maybe even adds a node here or there.  The right way to react is the way Fingerhut&#8217;s folks have as well as Joe Sulzer&#8217;s people.  They get it.</p>
<p>If I were Redfern I&#8217;d have a full-time netroots person who coordinates with other party strategy and message people in other media in order to fully leverage this &#8220;free&#8221; resource.  Yes, we are free much as getting the paper to write about your stuff is free&#8230;but someone has to coordinate that.  Zero resources just doesn&#8217;t get it for me.</p>
<p>This disconnect between candidates and party in terms of online strategy is problematic and I hope we hear from Chris on this again soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2006/01/27/redferns-dismissal-of-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree completely, Eric. But I&#039;m a geek - I think it&#039;s an amazing and unique opportunity to get inside people&#039;s heads, though separating the wheat from the chaff (chafe?) isn&#039;t easy (too lazy this morning to go to yourdictionary.com).

Could also be that that&#039;s the image they want to present, in the hope that bloggers will quiet down or cease and desist.  Although if I don&#039;t think you could find a more unlikely group of thinkers who could be influenced to cease and desist just because someone implies that they don&#039;t matter, than bloggers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree completely, Eric. But I&#8217;m a geek &#8211; I think it&#8217;s an amazing and unique opportunity to get inside people&#8217;s heads, though separating the wheat from the chaff (chafe?) isn&#8217;t easy (too lazy this morning to go to yourdictionary.com).</p>
<p>Could also be that that&#8217;s the image they want to present, in the hope that bloggers will quiet down or cease and desist.  Although if I don&#8217;t think you could find a more unlikely group of thinkers who could be influenced to cease and desist just because someone implies that they don&#8217;t matter, than bloggers.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2006/01/27/redferns-dismissal-of-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;m in the same category as you.  My stuff focuses more on politics because that is what has been motivating me and why I started this blog.

My main point I guess is that Chris should have a very different perception about blogs than the MSM.  They are a bit freaked about the competition and loss of clout.  Chris should not display this same reticence.  His take should be just as your question posed:  &quot;What part should blogs play in our overall strategy to engage voters&quot;.  

That is my disappointment.  Not to mention the fact that he should be getting out in front and not waiting with cautiously optimistic anxiousness.

It&#039;s a poor and dangerous perception in my opinion - missed opportunity in a big way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m in the same category as you.  My stuff focuses more on politics because that is what has been motivating me and why I started this blog.</p>
<p>My main point I guess is that Chris should have a very different perception about blogs than the MSM.  They are a bit freaked about the competition and loss of clout.  Chris should not display this same reticence.  His take should be just as your question posed:  &#8220;What part should blogs play in our overall strategy to engage voters&#8221;.  </p>
<p>That is my disappointment.  Not to mention the fact that he should be getting out in front and not waiting with cautiously optimistic anxiousness.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a poor and dangerous perception in my opinion &#8211; missed opportunity in a big way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2006/01/27/redferns-dismissal-of-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric - Thanks for this analysis of Redfern.  It&#039;s very funny in the ironic sense because just before I logged on this morning, I thought to myself, you know, folks need to remember - I may be a very keen observer, smart person and good writer, but I am still not a bona fide political hack or wonk in Ohio.  I have not been following Ohio politics for the length of time or in the depth that many other bloggers who are interested in this stuff and write about this stuff have.

I don&#039;t ever mean to present myself as knowing.  But I am trying to get engaged and ask questions and get answers, because, given the small pool of voters who can be described as engaged (and into which I think I do fall), there are even fewer knowledgeable Ohio political wonks.  It&#039;s a very small universe, compared to the general electorate.

That said, I still believe that Redfern put forth an opinion about the influence and value and &quot;go to&quot; element of blogs in a way that parallels the treatment MSM gives blogs, in general, though less and less so: they are anxious about the uncertainty that blogs represent, in content and in influence.

I feel quite confident about that perception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &#8211; Thanks for this analysis of Redfern.  It&#8217;s very funny in the ironic sense because just before I logged on this morning, I thought to myself, you know, folks need to remember &#8211; I may be a very keen observer, smart person and good writer, but I am still not a bona fide political hack or wonk in Ohio.  I have not been following Ohio politics for the length of time or in the depth that many other bloggers who are interested in this stuff and write about this stuff have.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t ever mean to present myself as knowing.  But I am trying to get engaged and ask questions and get answers, because, given the small pool of voters who can be described as engaged (and into which I think I do fall), there are even fewer knowledgeable Ohio political wonks.  It&#8217;s a very small universe, compared to the general electorate.</p>
<p>That said, I still believe that Redfern put forth an opinion about the influence and value and &#8220;go to&#8221; element of blogs in a way that parallels the treatment MSM gives blogs, in general, though less and less so: they are anxious about the uncertainty that blogs represent, in content and in influence.</p>
<p>I feel quite confident about that perception.</p>
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