Comments on: Open response to Renee @ Howard Empowered People http://www.plunderbund.com/2006/10/09/open-response-to-renee-howard-empowered-people/ All Politics. All Ohio. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:09:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Renee in Ohio http://www.plunderbund.com/2006/10/09/open-response-to-renee-howard-empowered-people/comment-page-1/#comment-7346 Renee in Ohio Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:03:09 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=1068#comment-7346 Brian--glad you're around. I totally flaked on this, but what I *wanted* to make sure I noted was that the person you quoted was Gary Lankford. Because I had no clue who he was *before* the event, and then I came and saw your post about him. I'm sure we would have asked him some different questions had we known who he was. Diaried here http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/7/13713/8215 Brian–glad you’re around. I totally flaked on this, but what I *wanted* to make sure I noted was that the person you quoted was Gary Lankford. Because I had no clue who he was *before* the event, and then I came and saw your post about him. I’m sure we would have asked him some different questions had we known who he was.

Diaried here
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/7/13713/8215

]]> By: Brian http://www.plunderbund.com/2006/10/09/open-response-to-renee-howard-empowered-people/comment-page-1/#comment-7343 Brian Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:56:24 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=1068#comment-7343 Renee - I actually was thinking about emailing you, as I wanted your input. Thanks for clearing up the transcription aspect - I'll put a note in the post about that. I have to admit, based one what I've read of yours (and posted about i the past on my other blog) the post seemed out of character. That makes sense. I'll definitely read your links. Thanks. Renee – I actually was thinking about emailing you, as I wanted your input. Thanks for clearing up the transcription aspect – I’ll put a note in the post about that.

I have to admit, based one what I’ve read of yours (and posted about i the past on my other blog) the post seemed out of character. That makes sense. I’ll definitely read your links. Thanks.

]]> By: Renee in Ohio http://www.plunderbund.com/2006/10/09/open-response-to-renee-howard-empowered-people/comment-page-1/#comment-7330 Renee in Ohio Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:13:22 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=1068#comment-7330 Yikes--my ears weren't even burning. I was just heading over here to see if I could find an appropriate thread to post the following. <i>We've had a couple forum discussions here on the issues related to church/state separation, including one where Barry Lynn was a speaker. Some transcription of those events can be found at my blog <a href="http://realreligiousleft.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</i> But I need to clarify that it wasn't me saying that atheists are pretty much accepted. I was doing my transcription thing. I did the same when Rob Boston and Melvin Lipman came to town. http://religiousleft.bmgbiz.net/robboston.html http://religiousleft.bmgbiz.net/melvinlipman.html and both of them were pretty clear on the point that atheists/nonbelievers are the *least* accepted group in the country. I need to run a quick errand, so I don't have time to read the whole post right now, but I notice you referenced Jefferson, and there was quite a bit on Thomas Jefferson in Rob Boston's talk. Anyway, you might want to check out those links. Yikes–my ears weren’t even burning. I was just heading over here to see if I could find an appropriate thread to post the following.

We’ve had a couple forum discussions here on the issues related to church/state separation, including one where Barry Lynn was a speaker. Some transcription of those events can be found at my blog here.

But I need to clarify that it wasn’t me saying that atheists are pretty much accepted. I was doing my transcription thing. I did the same when Rob Boston and Melvin Lipman came to town.

http://religiousleft.bmgbiz.net/robboston.html
http://religiousleft.bmgbiz.net/melvinlipman.html

and both of them were pretty clear on the point that atheists/nonbelievers are the *least* accepted group in the country.

I need to run a quick errand, so I don’t have time to read the whole post right now, but I notice you referenced Jefferson, and there was quite a bit on Thomas Jefferson in Rob Boston’s talk. Anyway, you might want to check out those links.

]]> By: Brian http://www.plunderbund.com/2006/10/09/open-response-to-renee-howard-empowered-people/comment-page-1/#comment-7248 Brian Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:30:05 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=1068#comment-7248 To be honest, I'm not one of those "militant" atheists who, for example, want the word "God" scrubbed from everything in sight. The fact that it's on our money - despite being a relatively recent addiction - doesn't really bother me much. However, if we are going to force kids to recite the pledge every day in public schools, I don't think "under God" belongs. (I actually edited out a reference to the fact that the pledge was originally written by a Christian socialist who left out "under god" but wanted to stick in "equality". Irony!) FWIW, I'm glad we can have this kind of discussion in the liberal hemisphere. Renee and I have far far far more in common than not. To be honest, I’m not one of those “militant” atheists who, for example, want the word “God” scrubbed from everything in sight. The fact that it’s on our money – despite being a relatively recent addiction – doesn’t really bother me much.

However, if we are going to force kids to recite the pledge every day in public schools, I don’t think “under God” belongs. (I actually edited out a reference to the fact that the pledge was originally written by a Christian socialist who left out “under god” but wanted to stick in “equality”. Irony!)

FWIW, I’m glad we can have this kind of discussion in the liberal hemisphere. Renee and I have far far far more in common than not.

]]> By: JoeR http://www.plunderbund.com/2006/10/09/open-response-to-renee-howard-empowered-people/comment-page-1/#comment-7237 JoeR Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:12:23 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=1068#comment-7237 I have no issue with using the fairly generic term "God" in oaths, motto's and otherwise, because perhaps I see beliefs in God, Allah, or even a higherpower as different terms for the same entitity. But again I am a person of faith so perhaps my vision is biased a bit. With that being said, I find your writings on this issue to be very well put, documented and elightening. I have no issue with using the fairly generic term “God” in oaths, motto’s and otherwise, because perhaps I see beliefs in God, Allah, or even a higherpower as different terms for the same entitity. But again I am a person of faith so perhaps my vision is biased a bit.

With that being said, I find your writings on this issue to be very well put, documented and elightening.

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