Comments on: Citizens for Community Values vs. The Strippers – Round 2

By: Plunderbund - » A Brief History of Citizens for Community Values

Plunderbund - » A Brief History of Citizens for Community Values — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:34:31 +0000

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Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:53:17 +0000

[...] Joseph at Plunderbund notes that the names may sound alike, but so do the names of at least 50 other Ohio community [...]

By: elyzabethe

elyzabethe — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:40:38 +0000

Lisa, I think it’s a great name, and not at all dishonest, as you say. They’re trying to reassert that a) just because they may be in the adult entertainment industry does not mean they don’t value community or standards and, b) what businesses can and cannot operate in a neighborhood SHOULD be left up to community standards and laws, not a statewide one-size-bit-all regulation

By: Joseph

Joseph — Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:25:42 +0000

the core of the effort to regulate morality lies the desire of “us” to regulate “them.” With each prohibition, a socially dominant group burdens a weaker class of citizens with its notion of propriety. And notwithstanding the moral justifications used to support them, moral regulations only succeed in exacerbating existing social rifts. While the socially divisive nature of prohibition is one of its many costs, it is a cost that is often overshadowed by the more tangible casualties that commonly follow most prohibitory movements. I simply point to it in the hope that it further supports a claim that I have made elsewhere: As we enter a new century, it is abundantly clear that it is time to free ourselves from the idea of prohibition.

From “Us” And “Them” and the Nature of Moral Regulation by Charles H. Whitebread*

By: Joseph

Joseph — Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:22:16 +0000

I could make the same argument against the Citizens for Community Values folks.

The people in MY community don’t want THEIR values forced on to us.

We don’t want to ban same-sex marriage and we don’t really care if people want to watch exotic dancing after midnight.

By: Lisa Renee

Lisa Renee — Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:10:42 +0000

I do think it’s kind of unusual for a group lobbying to lessen adult entertainment industry rules to call themselves, “Citizens for Community Standards”. Given the recent brouhaha in Toledo over two union execs spending union dollars at a strip club and a golf outing where volunteers were recruited from two strip clubs for the Lucas County Democratic Party Golf Outing, I’ve done some research on the lobbying done at least here in Toledo by some of these club owners. It would be hard to say some of what has happened represents Community Standards…at least not the community standards up here.

A more honest approach would be to not purposely select a name that so closely copies a group that was known to oppose them…