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		<title>By: dpotts</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2007/08/03/ohio-schools-need-more-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-64376</link>
		<dc:creator>dpotts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0642878120070806?feedType=RSS&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;news story&lt;/a&gt; that&#039;s relevant to this topic. It&#039;s about how children prefer the food wrapped in McDonald&#039;s packaging over the same food in plain packaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read a <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0642878120070806?feedType=RSS" rel="nofollow">news story</a> that&#8217;s relevant to this topic. It&#8217;s about how children prefer the food wrapped in McDonald&#8217;s packaging over the same food in plain packaging.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2007/08/03/ohio-schools-need-more-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-64313</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But don&#039;t forget the No Child Left Behind means that the federal government is asserting authority with schools - which also means they are more responsible for the funding.  That&#039;s part of the debate in Washington...they can&#039;t require states to make all kinds of changes without forking over $$$.

For those of us who think we should have a more unified education policy in this country - and more balanced funding - NCLB really opens the door to that (even if they&#039;ve only turned the knob so far).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But don&#8217;t forget the No Child Left Behind means that the federal government is asserting authority with schools &#8211; which also means they are more responsible for the funding.  That&#8217;s part of the debate in Washington&#8230;they can&#8217;t require states to make all kinds of changes without forking over $$$.</p>
<p>For those of us who think we should have a more unified education policy in this country &#8211; and more balanced funding &#8211; NCLB really opens the door to that (even if they&#8217;ve only turned the knob so far).</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2007/08/03/ohio-schools-need-more-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-64311</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalpriorities.org/Cost-of-War/Cost-of-War-3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the national priorities project&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;i&gt;we could have hired 
7,792,874 additional public school teachers for one year with the amount of money spent so far in Iraq.&lt;/i&gt;

And, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plunderbund.com/2007/08/04/fix-bridges-or-fight-wars/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;as I recently wrote&lt;/a&gt;, we could have fixed all of the bridges in the US TWICE with all of the money we spent in Iraq.

I don&#039;t think anyone would argue that we could have spent that money better.  But that money is, unfortunately, gone.  Actually- it was never even here since we had to borrow so much of it.

But School Funding is, right now, mainly a state issue.   

More importantly, it&#039;s also a local issue- since such a big percentage of the cost must be covered (or not covered, in the case of poor districts) by local communities.

Obviously, the best solution, as I mentioned, is to get the state to fully fund the schools.  But as long as we have a republican majority in the general assembly, this isn&#039;t going to happen.

So what else can under-funded school districts do to help get caught up?

A bake sale, unfortunately, isn&#039;t going to cut it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the <a href="http://www.nationalpriorities.org/Cost-of-War/Cost-of-War-3.html" rel="nofollow">the national priorities project</a>, <i>we could have hired<br />
7,792,874 additional public school teachers for one year with the amount of money spent so far in Iraq.</i></p>
<p>And, <a href="http://www.plunderbund.com/2007/08/04/fix-bridges-or-fight-wars/" rel="nofollow">as I recently wrote</a>, we could have fixed all of the bridges in the US TWICE with all of the money we spent in Iraq.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone would argue that we could have spent that money better.  But that money is, unfortunately, gone.  Actually- it was never even here since we had to borrow so much of it.</p>
<p>But School Funding is, right now, mainly a state issue.   </p>
<p>More importantly, it&#8217;s also a local issue- since such a big percentage of the cost must be covered (or not covered, in the case of poor districts) by local communities.</p>
<p>Obviously, the best solution, as I mentioned, is to get the state to fully fund the schools.  But as long as we have a republican majority in the general assembly, this isn&#8217;t going to happen.</p>
<p>So what else can under-funded school districts do to help get caught up?</p>
<p>A bake sale, unfortunately, isn&#8217;t going to cut it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2007/08/03/ohio-schools-need-more-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-64306</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18:  Here&#039;s an idea.  Spend the money we already have differently.  You wrongly present this as a choice between raising taxes or cutting teacher salary and benefits.  You got set up in your language by the right there.  Happens all the time.  

Why don&#039;t we divert some of the obscene amount of money we spend on weapons systems and spend it on educating kids in a way that doesn&#039;t have them knocking on doors every other week selling cookie dough, flowers, or tins of popcorn.

I know.  It&#039;s bekuz da terrists might come and git our dumb asses.  yahuck!  I mean, have you seen the statistics on how many IEDs the new FALCON system is able to disarm?  (zero)

Ah fuck it.  Why don&#039;t we just have school sponsored by Wal-Mart?  We already spend over $500/pupil there anyway.  You could easily turn the greeters into crosswalk guards as they already have vests and everything!  

At lunch you could have &quot;McDonalds-at-school&quot; operate the lunchroom and Nike could run the gym program.  Put it out for bid too as I&#039;m sure Wendy&#039;s and Reebok might have something to offer.

Or we could be brave and decide that spending nearly 90% of what we did in the Cold War era on &quot;defense&quot; while setting unfunded mandates for schools and teachers to meet is a bad idea.

(For the record I also think we need to shift current military spending so as to emphasize intelligence over weapons - I think modern threat analysis would support this thinking)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18:  Here&#8217;s an idea.  Spend the money we already have differently.  You wrongly present this as a choice between raising taxes or cutting teacher salary and benefits.  You got set up in your language by the right there.  Happens all the time.  </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t we divert some of the obscene amount of money we spend on weapons systems and spend it on educating kids in a way that doesn&#8217;t have them knocking on doors every other week selling cookie dough, flowers, or tins of popcorn.</p>
<p>I know.  It&#8217;s bekuz da terrists might come and git our dumb asses.  yahuck!  I mean, have you seen the statistics on how many IEDs the new FALCON system is able to disarm?  (zero)</p>
<p>Ah fuck it.  Why don&#8217;t we just have school sponsored by Wal-Mart?  We already spend over $500/pupil there anyway.  You could easily turn the greeters into crosswalk guards as they already have vests and everything!  </p>
<p>At lunch you could have &#8220;McDonalds-at-school&#8221; operate the lunchroom and Nike could run the gym program.  Put it out for bid too as I&#8217;m sure Wendy&#8217;s and Reebok might have something to offer.</p>
<p>Or we could be brave and decide that spending nearly 90% of what we did in the Cold War era on &#8220;defense&#8221; while setting unfunded mandates for schools and teachers to meet is a bad idea.</p>
<p>(For the record I also think we need to shift current military spending so as to emphasize intelligence over weapons &#8211; I think modern threat analysis would support this thinking)</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as you pointed out earlier, we have been spending hundreds of billions of our tax dollars in Iraq...how about &quot;redeploying&quot; some of those funds for things like: Better jobs and social supports for parents? Better data systems for schools to monitor student progress and tailor learning? Additional funds for teacher raises - linked to their effort and performance? Additional funds for continuing education for teachers?  

Just a few ideas on how we might better spend the federal tax dollars we are already paying!

A few new-but-already-outdated text books from an advertiser are not going to solve (or pay for!) these problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as you pointed out earlier, we have been spending hundreds of billions of our tax dollars in Iraq&#8230;how about &#8220;redeploying&#8221; some of those funds for things like: Better jobs and social supports for parents? Better data systems for schools to monitor student progress and tailor learning? Additional funds for teacher raises &#8211; linked to their effort and performance? Additional funds for continuing education for teachers?  </p>
<p>Just a few ideas on how we might better spend the federal tax dollars we are already paying!</p>
<p>A few new-but-already-outdated text books from an advertiser are not going to solve (or pay for!) these problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kids are comfortable with marketing.  They see it every day everywhere they go.  

Eating coco puffs, reading the cereal box, listening to Disney radio... it&#039;s a full-on, all-senses, advertising experience from morning until night.

And yes- in a perfect world we would have fully funded, commercial-free schools where kids could learn other values besides consumption.

But we don&#039;t have that money available.

So... if we don&#039;t want to raise taxes and we don&#039;t want to cut teacher salaries and benefits (which is what going to for-profit schools would do)- then we need some other solutions.

I&#039;d love to hear some other ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kids are comfortable with marketing.  They see it every day everywhere they go.  </p>
<p>Eating coco puffs, reading the cereal box, listening to Disney radio&#8230; it&#8217;s a full-on, all-senses, advertising experience from morning until night.</p>
<p>And yes- in a perfect world we would have fully funded, commercial-free schools where kids could learn other values besides consumption.</p>
<p>But we don&#8217;t have that money available.</p>
<p>So&#8230; if we don&#8217;t want to raise taxes and we don&#8217;t want to cut teacher salaries and benefits (which is what going to for-profit schools would do)- then we need some other solutions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to hear some other ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;d say Matt lost the &quot;debate,&quot; but is that really a surprise?  The brain power via Plunderbund is overwhelming :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;d say Matt lost the &#8220;debate,&#8221; but is that really a surprise?  The brain power via Plunderbund is overwhelming <img src='http://www.plunderbund.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15:  Yeah, we did kinda get sidetracked.  I&#039;m against ads in school.  My kids are bombarded by them at home - where I can actually control via TV use - but at school I don&#039;t have such control.  I&#039;d like to find other means of financing our schools and don&#039;t want uber-mini&#039;s in my house thanks!

PS - So...you think I won the &quot;debate&quot;?  I love winning debates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15:  Yeah, we did kinda get sidetracked.  I&#8217;m against ads in school.  My kids are bombarded by them at home &#8211; where I can actually control via TV use &#8211; but at school I don&#8217;t have such control.  I&#8217;d like to find other means of financing our schools and don&#8217;t want uber-mini&#8217;s in my house thanks!</p>
<p>PS &#8211; So&#8230;you think I won the &#8220;debate&#8221;?  I love winning debates.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2007/08/03/ohio-schools-need-more-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-64292</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In your heated &quot;debate&quot; about religion in schools, you all pretty much skipped over Joe&#039;s argument about selling out our kids.  Anyone else in favor of letting advertisers have full run of the schools to turn our mini-consumers into ?ber-mini-consumers?  And teaching them what our society really values?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your heated &#8220;debate&#8221; about religion in schools, you all pretty much skipped over Joe&#8217;s argument about selling out our kids.  Anyone else in favor of letting advertisers have full run of the schools to turn our mini-consumers into ?ber-mini-consumers?  And teaching them what our society really values?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13:  I say...I say...now that&#039;s a good find there boy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13:  I say&#8230;I say&#8230;now that&#8217;s a good find there boy!</p>
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