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	<title>Comments on: Hillary Fans and Apologists Risk Diluting Meaning of Misogyny</title>
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		<title>By: Why calling out is rooting out: Clinton-New Republic &#38; Obamas-New Yorker &#124; Writes Like She Talks</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/04/23/hillary-fans-and-apologists-risk-diluting-meaning-of-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-102347</link>
		<dc:creator>Why calling out is rooting out: Clinton-New Republic &#38; Obamas-New Yorker &#124; Writes Like She Talks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post even inspired this post, Hillary Fans and Apologists Risk Diluting Meaning of Misogyny and the comments there involved a very robust dialogue.Â  The concern was that by calling out that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Glass City Jungle &#124; The men say it&#8217;s not misogynistic&#8230;us women better listen&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glass City Jungle &#124; The men say it&#8217;s not misogynistic&#8230;us women better listen&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pho, Eric and Tim all share why they don&#8217;t believe Jill or I guess Kathy or Jessica or Jeff Amanda or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SIDS is scary stuff.  There was a healthy little boy who&#039;s parents come get Starbucks at my wife&#039;s store who died 2 months ago or so from SIDS.  Very sad.  My wife was especially torn up, because she played with that little boy (and his twin brother &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; older brother) every day.  Scary, scary stuff.

I will, unsurprisingly, come down on Eric&#039;s side regarding the misogyny.  I just don&#039;t see it.  I will gladly concede that my &quot;filter&quot; for inputs is quite different than Jill&#039;s, and even that she&#039;s got more &quot;authenticity&quot; when it comes to making claims of misogyny than I do... but I still can&#039;t see it.  I&#039;m &lt;em&gt;trying&lt;/em&gt;, I am, but it&#039;s just not clicking for me.

I will say this, tho - I can&#039;t wait for this primary to be over so we can all get on the same end of the rope again and pull as a unit.  I happen to feel Obama is better on a number of policy issues, but in reality the two candidates aren&#039;t &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; far apart.  Either would be miles better than McCain (and - to agree with Obama - I feel all three would be an improvement on Bush, but that&#039;s not necessarily saying much).  We shouldn&#039;t lose sight of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SIDS is scary stuff.  There was a healthy little boy who&#8217;s parents come get Starbucks at my wife&#8217;s store who died 2 months ago or so from SIDS.  Very sad.  My wife was especially torn up, because she played with that little boy (and his twin brother <em>and</em> older brother) every day.  Scary, scary stuff.</p>
<p>I will, unsurprisingly, come down on Eric&#8217;s side regarding the misogyny.  I just don&#8217;t see it.  I will gladly concede that my &#8220;filter&#8221; for inputs is quite different than Jill&#8217;s, and even that she&#8217;s got more &#8220;authenticity&#8221; when it comes to making claims of misogyny than I do&#8230; but I still can&#8217;t see it.  I&#8217;m <em>trying</em>, I am, but it&#8217;s just not clicking for me.</p>
<p>I will say this, tho &#8211; I can&#8217;t wait for this primary to be over so we can all get on the same end of the rope again and pull as a unit.  I happen to feel Obama is better on a number of policy issues, but in reality the two candidates aren&#8217;t <em>that</em> far apart.  Either would be miles better than McCain (and &#8211; to agree with Obama &#8211; I feel all three would be an improvement on Bush, but that&#8217;s not necessarily saying much).  We shouldn&#8217;t lose sight of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Modern Esquire</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/04/23/hillary-fans-and-apologists-risk-diluting-meaning-of-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-99552</link>
		<dc:creator>Modern Esquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son starting sleeping through the nights at three months.  First, we thought there was something wrong.  And at that age, we were so SIDS panicked, he slept fine, but I was up checking on him throughout the night.

Eventually we realized what a blessing it was and how lucky we were.  We thought about pressing our luck and striking while the iron was hot and have another child right away.  Then we thought better than to press our luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son starting sleeping through the nights at three months.  First, we thought there was something wrong.  And at that age, we were so SIDS panicked, he slept fine, but I was up checking on him throughout the night.</p>
<p>Eventually we realized what a blessing it was and how lucky we were.  We thought about pressing our luck and striking while the iron was hot and have another child right away.  Then we thought better than to press our luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modern, please don&#039;t put words in my mouth.  I did NOT say &quot;some Obama supporters have screamed the race card too many times when it was (wasn&#039;t?) called for&quot;.  What I DID say was that every criticism of Obama is not racist.  Don&#039;t respond to my post in a way that changes it&#039;s meaning.  

What I think would be nice is if YOU would publicly hit the Clinton campaign for using GOP like fear mongering tactics to scare up votes.  I don&#039;t expect that&#039;s forthcoming either.  I&#039;ll be glad to have you back on my team though.  It&#039;s saddened me so to have to bang on ME.  Detente is, what?  A few weeks away?

As for me not chiding anyone, I think I DID comment on the charges of racism in the Ohio election in comments on Brian&#039;s post about it and elsewhere.  There was evidence of it.  We disagree.  No big.  (assuming this is the incident you are speaking of).

Assume you are responding to Joe (#1 above) on the liberal magazine comment.  

I don&#039;t agree completely with Russo&#039;s take and plan to comment accordingly a bit later.  

Thanks for the congrats!  The g diapers are working out great.  Now if we could only get the little guy to figure out day and night.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern, please don&#8217;t put words in my mouth.  I did NOT say &#8220;some Obama supporters have screamed the race card too many times when it was (wasn&#8217;t?) called for&#8221;.  What I DID say was that every criticism of Obama is not racist.  Don&#8217;t respond to my post in a way that changes it&#8217;s meaning.  </p>
<p>What I think would be nice is if YOU would publicly hit the Clinton campaign for using GOP like fear mongering tactics to scare up votes.  I don&#8217;t expect that&#8217;s forthcoming either.  I&#8217;ll be glad to have you back on my team though.  It&#8217;s saddened me so to have to bang on ME.  Detente is, what?  A few weeks away?</p>
<p>As for me not chiding anyone, I think I DID comment on the charges of racism in the Ohio election in comments on Brian&#8217;s post about it and elsewhere.  There was evidence of it.  We disagree.  No big.  (assuming this is the incident you are speaking of).</p>
<p>Assume you are responding to Joe (#1 above) on the liberal magazine comment.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree completely with Russo&#8217;s take and plan to comment accordingly a bit later.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the congrats!  The g diapers are working out great.  Now if we could only get the little guy to figure out day and night.  <img src='http://www.plunderbund.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Modern Esquire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modern Esquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see Eric finally admit that some Obama supporters have screamed the race card too many times when it was called for.  Of course, it would be nice to see Eric actually publicly chide Obama supporters for using race card too many times (say like when Obama supporters claim racism whenever Obama does poorly in certain areas, even in areas he never campaigned in?)

How can New Republic not be capable of engaging in misogyny because it&#039;s a liberal magazine (the DLC&#039;s Pravada is now liberal?), but Clinton is a racist for every attack or criticism of Obama?

Even Russo characterizes the whole thing as Hillary as the nagging wife, and yet, somehow says that&#039;s not misogynst because it plays to a &quot;true stereotype.&quot;

On an unrelated note, belated congrats Eric on the baby.  Thanks for the post on the environmentally friendly diaper post.  Wish I had known about it nine months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see Eric finally admit that some Obama supporters have screamed the race card too many times when it was called for.  Of course, it would be nice to see Eric actually publicly chide Obama supporters for using race card too many times (say like when Obama supporters claim racism whenever Obama does poorly in certain areas, even in areas he never campaigned in?)</p>
<p>How can New Republic not be capable of engaging in misogyny because it&#8217;s a liberal magazine (the DLC&#8217;s Pravada is now liberal?), but Clinton is a racist for every attack or criticism of Obama?</p>
<p>Even Russo characterizes the whole thing as Hillary as the nagging wife, and yet, somehow says that&#8217;s not misogynst because it plays to a &#8220;true stereotype.&#8221;</p>
<p>On an unrelated note, belated congrats Eric on the baby.  Thanks for the post on the environmentally friendly diaper post.  Wish I had known about it nine months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well- regardless of how we feel about the New Republic cover- at least we can all agree that Tom Blumer constantly says things that anger us enormously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well- regardless of how we feel about the New Republic cover- at least we can all agree that Tom Blumer constantly says things that anger us enormously.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, you sir are a dude.  I saw it in the dictionary - right next to &quot;Zen Dude.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, you sir are a dude.  I saw it in the dictionary &#8211; right next to &#8220;Zen Dude.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and what did you mean by &quot;dudes&quot;.  Are you labeling me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and what did you mean by &#8220;dudes&#8221;.  Are you labeling me?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@10:  spam filter catching you for some reason.</description>
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