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	<title>Comments on: Hillary Gives Some NJ Primary Voters &#8220;Buyer&#8217;s Remorse&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/04/30/hillary-gives-some-nj-primary-voters-buyers-remorse/comment-page-1/#comment-99759</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, I never put any stock in this poll.  Most of what I&#039;ve been commenting on is your comment.  You have a point with electoral college and electability.  I guess I&#039;m speaking in terms of the primary.  It&#039;s meaningless.  Only delegates matter - or should.  The only reason we&#039;re talking &quot;electability&quot; and &quot;electoral college&quot; is because your candidate got her ass kicked 11 times in a row and didn&#039;t have a plan for after Super Tuesday...

Right wing talking point?  A Hillary supporter telling me not to use a right wing talking point!  That&#039;s funny I don&#039;t care who you are.  I think it was YOU who used McCain talking points in a DEMOCRAT primary.  Last I checked the party was called Democrat.  

I do think electoral college and electability are important, but I don&#039;t think these polls accurately reflect the nature of the game when we have a candidate and the press gets to start paying attention to McCain.  That&#039;s all.  You essentially have two against one right now and that is surely affecting polling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, I never put any stock in this poll.  Most of what I&#8217;ve been commenting on is your comment.  You have a point with electoral college and electability.  I guess I&#8217;m speaking in terms of the primary.  It&#8217;s meaningless.  Only delegates matter &#8211; or should.  The only reason we&#8217;re talking &#8220;electability&#8221; and &#8220;electoral college&#8221; is because your candidate got her ass kicked 11 times in a row and didn&#8217;t have a plan for after Super Tuesday&#8230;</p>
<p>Right wing talking point?  A Hillary supporter telling me not to use a right wing talking point!  That&#8217;s funny I don&#8217;t care who you are.  I think it was YOU who used McCain talking points in a DEMOCRAT primary.  Last I checked the party was called Democrat.  </p>
<p>I do think electoral college and electability are important, but I don&#8217;t think these polls accurately reflect the nature of the game when we have a candidate and the press gets to start paying attention to McCain.  That&#8217;s all.  You essentially have two against one right now and that is surely affecting polling.</p>
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		<title>By: Modern Esquire</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/04/30/hillary-gives-some-nj-primary-voters-buyers-remorse/comment-page-1/#comment-99757</link>
		<dc:creator>Modern Esquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, the Electoral College has been THE standard of electibility since the Constitution was ratified.  It&#039;s hardly a &quot;rule change&quot; since that is, by definition, how one gets elected President.  Thus, it&#039;s the only standard for electibility that matters.

BTW, if you had checked the site (which came to me from a recommendation by Kos), you&#039;d see that these aren&#039;t primary polls, but head-to-head.  But if &quot;none of these polls mean jack squat&quot; then I guess this post is meaningless.

By the way, it&#039;s DEMOCRATIC voters, don&#039;t go all right-wing talking points on me and say Democrat.

All I&#039;m saying is right now it looks like OH, PA, and FL are all out of reach for Obama in the general according to all available polling.  
I can&#039;t think of a single candidate who ever won a presidential campaign that lost all three states.  Hillary also makes MO competitive.  

You said the electibility argument, solely, don&#039;t go trying to pretend that the topic was something else.

I think it&#039;s odd that you&#039;d put so much stock in a buyer&#039;s remorse poll (which actually may only reflect a desire to see this contest end) as an argument against Hillary&#039;s electability, but you&#039;d discount actual polls that shows nationally she could win the election against McCain while Obama loses.

Or that you think the electoral college argument is not important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, the Electoral College has been THE standard of electibility since the Constitution was ratified.  It&#8217;s hardly a &#8220;rule change&#8221; since that is, by definition, how one gets elected President.  Thus, it&#8217;s the only standard for electibility that matters.</p>
<p>BTW, if you had checked the site (which came to me from a recommendation by Kos), you&#8217;d see that these aren&#8217;t primary polls, but head-to-head.  But if &#8220;none of these polls mean jack squat&#8221; then I guess this post is meaningless.</p>
<p>By the way, it&#8217;s DEMOCRATIC voters, don&#8217;t go all right-wing talking points on me and say Democrat.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is right now it looks like OH, PA, and FL are all out of reach for Obama in the general according to all available polling.<br />
I can&#8217;t think of a single candidate who ever won a presidential campaign that lost all three states.  Hillary also makes MO competitive.  </p>
<p>You said the electibility argument, solely, don&#8217;t go trying to pretend that the topic was something else.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s odd that you&#8217;d put so much stock in a buyer&#8217;s remorse poll (which actually may only reflect a desire to see this contest end) as an argument against Hillary&#8217;s electability, but you&#8217;d discount actual polls that shows nationally she could win the election against McCain while Obama loses.</p>
<p>Or that you think the electoral college argument is not important.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/04/30/hillary-gives-some-nj-primary-voters-buyers-remorse/comment-page-1/#comment-99745</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah!  The old electoral college argument.  I love it.  Rule changing at it&#039;s best.  Your entire argument assumes primary polling in a general election.  You should know better than that.  

None of these polls mean jack squat...yet.  Hell, McCain hasn&#039;t even been in the news yet has he?  LOL.  

I&#039;d say the person who has won more DEMOCRAT voters (and don&#039;t even go all Jerome Armstrong on me), more DEMOCRAT caucuses, more DEMOCRAT delegates, and more STATES is the one who gets the nomination.  

I personally don&#039;t think there is that much difference in either one&#039;s electability, but I sure have fun watching Hill Shillers go on about it.  You guys act as if no Hillary voter will vote for Obama in a general - and perhaps they won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah!  The old electoral college argument.  I love it.  Rule changing at it&#8217;s best.  Your entire argument assumes primary polling in a general election.  You should know better than that.  </p>
<p>None of these polls mean jack squat&#8230;yet.  Hell, McCain hasn&#8217;t even been in the news yet has he?  LOL.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the person who has won more DEMOCRAT voters (and don&#8217;t even go all Jerome Armstrong on me), more DEMOCRAT caucuses, more DEMOCRAT delegates, and more STATES is the one who gets the nomination.  </p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t think there is that much difference in either one&#8217;s electability, but I sure have fun watching Hill Shillers go on about it.  You guys act as if no Hillary voter will vote for Obama in a general &#8211; and perhaps they won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Modern Esquire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modern Esquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, let me correct that, tie McCain and then beat him with a vote from the majority of the House of Representatives, assuming we still have the majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, let me correct that, tie McCain and then beat him with a vote from the majority of the House of Representatives, assuming we still have the majority.</p>
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		<title>By: Modern Esquire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modern Esquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if one wanted to make an electability argument for Hillary, one could point out that on state-by-state polling, Hillary continues to do better than Obama in the key battleground states of OH, PA, and FL.

And that current state-by-state polling shows that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/Apr30.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hillary has a sufficient lead in enough states to get 291 electoral votes &lt;/a&gt; in the general while &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/Apr30.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama gets only 243 to McCain&#039;s 269&lt;/a&gt;, and would have to win both Indiana and North Carolina in order to still beat McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if one wanted to make an electability argument for Hillary, one could point out that on state-by-state polling, Hillary continues to do better than Obama in the key battleground states of OH, PA, and FL.</p>
<p>And that current state-by-state polling shows that <a href="http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/Apr30.html" rel="nofollow">Hillary has a sufficient lead in enough states to get 291 electoral votes </a> in the general while <a href="http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/Apr30.html" rel="nofollow">Obama gets only 243 to McCain&#8217;s 269</a>, and would have to win both Indiana and North Carolina in order to still beat McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/04/30/hillary-gives-some-nj-primary-voters-buyers-remorse/comment-page-1/#comment-99735</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the roles were reversed here, we&#039;d no doubt hear Hillary surrogates and backers making an electability argument here.  I&#039;ll just say we lost and were able to gain a delegate lead anyway.  

We&#039;ll need you in November New Jersey!  Keep hope alive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the roles were reversed here, we&#8217;d no doubt hear Hillary surrogates and backers making an electability argument here.  I&#8217;ll just say we lost and were able to gain a delegate lead anyway.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll need you in November New Jersey!  Keep hope alive!</p>
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