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	<title>Comments on: Do NOT Accept a Provisional Ballot</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/10/23/do-not-accept-a-provisional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-106124</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all seem to have missed one very important event that fundamentally changed the nature of elections in Ohio: we elected Ted Strickland, a Democrat, as Governor in 2006. The significance of this is that, by law, the Director of every Board of Elections and the Presiding Judge in every precinct must be a registered member of the party of the Governor. The election machinery has changed hands, guys. By all means, protest if you are unfairly given a provisional ballot. But your first action should be to talk to the Presiding Judge of your precinct. They have are the official decision-maker within the precinct on Election Day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all seem to have missed one very important event that fundamentally changed the nature of elections in Ohio: we elected Ted Strickland, a Democrat, as Governor in 2006. The significance of this is that, by law, the Director of every Board of Elections and the Presiding Judge in every precinct must be a registered member of the party of the Governor. The election machinery has changed hands, guys. By all means, protest if you are unfairly given a provisional ballot. But your first action should be to talk to the Presiding Judge of your precinct. They have are the official decision-maker within the precinct on Election Day.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt P.</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/10/23/do-not-accept-a-provisional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-106123</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a lot of the comments here and I agree with most of them. I am a presiding judge at one of the local polling places in Toledo. If you are given a provisional ballot, please vote it. If it is determined (at the BOE) that you are qualified, your vote will count. Please, do not act like a spoiled child. You will only get yourself arrested and charges will be filed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a lot of the comments here and I agree with most of them. I am a presiding judge at one of the local polling places in Toledo. If you are given a provisional ballot, please vote it. If it is determined (at the BOE) that you are qualified, your vote will count. Please, do not act like a spoiled child. You will only get yourself arrested and charges will be filed.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/10/23/do-not-accept-a-provisional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-106098</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some additional numbers you might want to add.

Voter Registration Helpline:  (216) 443-3298

Poll Worker Feedback Hotline (216) 443-3291</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some additional numbers you might want to add.</p>
<p>Voter Registration Helpline:  (216) 443-3298</p>
<p>Poll Worker Feedback Hotline (216) 443-3291</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/10/23/do-not-accept-a-provisional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-106097</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vote early at your BOE office.  That seems like the best way to ensure your vote is counted.

My point with this post was add to Tim&#039;s advice by providing the numbers for local media outlets who will be very interested in hearing your story if your voting status is challenged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote early at your BOE office.  That seems like the best way to ensure your vote is counted.</p>
<p>My point with this post was add to Tim&#8217;s advice by providing the numbers for local media outlets who will be very interested in hearing your story if your voting status is challenged.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/10/23/do-not-accept-a-provisional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-106075</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nvm, my comments were just delayed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nvm, my comments were just delayed.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/10/23/do-not-accept-a-provisional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-106072</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 05:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it safe to presume that since Tim lambasted me on his website, the reason I can&#039;t respond to his comments are because my IP is now banned there?

What exactly is the etiquette on commenting to parallel blogs anyway?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it safe to presume that since Tim lambasted me on his website, the reason I can&#8217;t respond to his comments are because my IP is now banned there?</p>
<p>What exactly is the etiquette on commenting to parallel blogs anyway?  <img src='http://www.plunderbund.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/10/23/do-not-accept-a-provisional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-106070</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me for posting on two blogs.  I know enough about blogging to classify myself as a lurker, but not enough to know the proper etiquette for posting on parallel blogs.

I am who I purport to be.  My true name&#039;s Matthew, and I am a friend and classmate to Jerid.  From what I know of you, this information should sufficiently outline my ideology and profession to satisfy your immediate curiosity without revealing that which I wish to keep private.  If you wish, contact Jerid

As for my motive?  My motive is to get as many people as possible to vote.  Your recommendation is directly counter to my purposes, and therefore I spoke out.

If this were 2004, I wouldn&#039;t have any problem with your recommendation to protest.  Given that this isn&#039;t 2004, that Jennifer Brunner is not Ken Blackwell, and that the polling procedures have significantly changed since you last participated, your recommendations are counter-productive in their obsolescence.

Again, as someone speaking with knowledge of current polling procedures, I recommend the following:

If a voter suspects he has been improperly given a provisional ballot as part of a suppression effort by a partisan judge, that voter should immediately speak with another judge about the issue.  The second judge is guaranteed to be in a different party from the first judge.

If, after speaking with a second or even third judge, a voter is still asked to take a provisional ballot, I do not recommend protesting to force a regular ballot.  First, the delay caused by the protest necessarily increases voting lines and thereby reduces voter turnout.  Second, a regular ballot given in violation of polling procedure just to placate an obnoxious person undermines the legitimacy of regular ballots as a whole.  Third, and most importantly, the protest&#039;s force, interference, and intimidation subjects the voter to a fifth degree felony and potential loss of voting privileges.

Steps to avoid provisional ballots:

1.  Be at the right precinct.  Look it up before you go.  When at the polling location, if you are confused about the proper table, ask two different judges about where to go.  Every judge will wear an identifying tag.

2.  Bring ID, or go home and get it if you forgot it.  ID is expansive, and includes everything from Driver&#039;s Licenses to Public School IDs, Tax Bills, Government Checks, Government Letters, Notices, Utility Bills, Bank Statements, Paychecks, Grade Reports, Transcripts, Court Documents, and so on.  If a document has your name and address listed when you registered, then it&#039;s a valid ID.  A photo is not required.  Passports and documents from the Board of Elections, however, are NOT valid ID.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me for posting on two blogs.  I know enough about blogging to classify myself as a lurker, but not enough to know the proper etiquette for posting on parallel blogs.</p>
<p>I am who I purport to be.  My true name&#8217;s Matthew, and I am a friend and classmate to Jerid.  From what I know of you, this information should sufficiently outline my ideology and profession to satisfy your immediate curiosity without revealing that which I wish to keep private.  If you wish, contact Jerid</p>
<p>As for my motive?  My motive is to get as many people as possible to vote.  Your recommendation is directly counter to my purposes, and therefore I spoke out.</p>
<p>If this were 2004, I wouldn&#8217;t have any problem with your recommendation to protest.  Given that this isn&#8217;t 2004, that Jennifer Brunner is not Ken Blackwell, and that the polling procedures have significantly changed since you last participated, your recommendations are counter-productive in their obsolescence.</p>
<p>Again, as someone speaking with knowledge of current polling procedures, I recommend the following:</p>
<p>If a voter suspects he has been improperly given a provisional ballot as part of a suppression effort by a partisan judge, that voter should immediately speak with another judge about the issue.  The second judge is guaranteed to be in a different party from the first judge.</p>
<p>If, after speaking with a second or even third judge, a voter is still asked to take a provisional ballot, I do not recommend protesting to force a regular ballot.  First, the delay caused by the protest necessarily increases voting lines and thereby reduces voter turnout.  Second, a regular ballot given in violation of polling procedure just to placate an obnoxious person undermines the legitimacy of regular ballots as a whole.  Third, and most importantly, the protest&#8217;s force, interference, and intimidation subjects the voter to a fifth degree felony and potential loss of voting privileges.</p>
<p>Steps to avoid provisional ballots:</p>
<p>1.  Be at the right precinct.  Look it up before you go.  When at the polling location, if you are confused about the proper table, ask two different judges about where to go.  Every judge will wear an identifying tag.</p>
<p>2.  Bring ID, or go home and get it if you forgot it.  ID is expansive, and includes everything from Driver&#8217;s Licenses to Public School IDs, Tax Bills, Government Checks, Government Letters, Notices, Utility Bills, Bank Statements, Paychecks, Grade Reports, Transcripts, Court Documents, and so on.  If a document has your name and address listed when you registered, then it&#8217;s a valid ID.  A photo is not required.  Passports and documents from the Board of Elections, however, are NOT valid ID.</p>
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		<title>By: tim russo</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/10/23/do-not-accept-a-provisional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-106069</link>
		<dc:creator>tim russo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, it would be useful for you to tell us who you are, since you are posting this comment on every thread at my blog, and this one.  

your suggestion that this isn&#039;t 2004, and therefore you can just happily vote provisional because the poll worker tells you to, is simply irrelevant.  provisional ballots were bad then, and they&#039;re worse now, and it is more likely than ever that a provisional ballot will be cast in error.

and the notion that a successful protest, resulting in a regular ballot being cast, makes me wonder about your motive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, it would be useful for you to tell us who you are, since you are posting this comment on every thread at my blog, and this one.  </p>
<p>your suggestion that this isn&#8217;t 2004, and therefore you can just happily vote provisional because the poll worker tells you to, is simply irrelevant.  provisional ballots were bad then, and they&#8217;re worse now, and it is more likely than ever that a provisional ballot will be cast in error.</p>
<p>and the notion that a successful protest, resulting in a regular ballot being cast, makes me wonder about your motive.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/10/23/do-not-accept-a-provisional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-106064</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rules have changed, Joseph.

1.  Partisan poll observers are allowed so long as they don&#039;t interfere.  They have absolutely no right to challenge, or speak with anyone other than the pollworkers themselves.  The Ohio SOS has made this very clear in the training.  Once a poll observer interferes with, or even -delays- the voting process, that observer is kicked out (after one warning).

2.  Virtually any form of current ID + address is accepted for a regular ballot.  Even a utility bill or a fishing license is accepted.  The singular exception is passports.  Don&#039;t ask me why.

3.  For every one GOP judge, there&#039;s also a Democratic and Independent judge.  If someone believes they are the victim of a partisan suppression, all they need to do is speak with another judge.

If the judges deem that a person requires a provisional ballot, no amount of protest will give them the regular ballot.  Refusing to take the provisional ballot, and remaining in the polling place, will result in one of two scenarios.  1) The person will be forcibly removed for interfering with a polling location, or  2)  The person&#039;s continuing protest will cause long delays which lead to fewer total votes as others waiting in line leave.

This ain&#039;t 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rules have changed, Joseph.</p>
<p>1.  Partisan poll observers are allowed so long as they don&#8217;t interfere.  They have absolutely no right to challenge, or speak with anyone other than the pollworkers themselves.  The Ohio SOS has made this very clear in the training.  Once a poll observer interferes with, or even -delays- the voting process, that observer is kicked out (after one warning).</p>
<p>2.  Virtually any form of current ID + address is accepted for a regular ballot.  Even a utility bill or a fishing license is accepted.  The singular exception is passports.  Don&#8217;t ask me why.</p>
<p>3.  For every one GOP judge, there&#8217;s also a Democratic and Independent judge.  If someone believes they are the victim of a partisan suppression, all they need to do is speak with another judge.</p>
<p>If the judges deem that a person requires a provisional ballot, no amount of protest will give them the regular ballot.  Refusing to take the provisional ballot, and remaining in the polling place, will result in one of two scenarios.  1) The person will be forcibly removed for interfering with a polling location, or  2)  The person&#8217;s continuing protest will cause long delays which lead to fewer total votes as others waiting in line leave.</p>
<p>This ain&#8217;t 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: tim russo</title>
		<link>http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/10/23/do-not-accept-a-provisional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-106057</link>
		<dc:creator>tim russo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just posted again.

anastasia, you&#039;re playing their game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just posted again.</p>
<p>anastasia, you&#8217;re playing their game.</p>
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