Comments on: ODP’s opportunistic cowardice about to flush ODP down the toilet http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/12/14/odps-opportunistic-cowardice-about-to-flush-odp-down-the-toilet/ All Politics. All Ohio. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:09:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ted – you really need to ask Lee Fisher to drop out, and you know it. http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/12/14/odps-opportunistic-cowardice-about-to-flush-odp-down-the-toilet/comment-page-1/#comment-110878 Ted – you really need to ask Lee Fisher to drop out, and you know it. Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:46:40 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=8282#comment-110878 [...] Tim Russo on December 15, 2009 · View commentsComments Back to the tour de force. Brunner cannot be attacked on unemployment BECAUSE she’s not been in a position that is [...] [...] Tim Russo on December 15, 2009 · View commentsComments Back to the tour de force. Brunner cannot be attacked on unemployment BECAUSE she’s not been in a position that is [...]

]]> By: modernesquire http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/12/14/odps-opportunistic-cowardice-about-to-flush-odp-down-the-toilet/comment-page-1/#comment-111230 modernesquire Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:52:15 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=8282#comment-111230 I'll take the bet and raise it with double or nothing that if Lee Fisher wins the primary, he'll lose the general election.<br><br>I'm assuming, Bill, since you're in a calling people out mood that you'll take that bet? Fissel, you, too? I'll take the bet and raise it with double or nothing that if Lee Fisher wins the primary, he'll lose the general election.

I'm assuming, Bill, since you're in a calling people out mood that you'll take that bet? Fissel, you, too?

]]> By: modernesquire http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/12/14/odps-opportunistic-cowardice-about-to-flush-odp-down-the-toilet/comment-page-1/#comment-111229 modernesquire Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:48:19 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=8282#comment-111229 Ryan, the only way you can concluded that Lee Fisher has a 50/50 chance is by saying since there's two general election candidates and one has to win. By that logic, then Jennifer Brunner has the same odds.<br><br>Lee Fisher has NEVER, EVER been outspent in a campaign and won (in fact, he has lost several times. And yet, you concede that he is, in all likelihood, going to be outspent heavily. Lee Fisher has lost in better political environments against weaker GOP opponents than he likely will fact in 2010.<br><br>You cannot even type the words: Lee Fisher will beat Rob Portman. Under any scenerio.<br><br>Yes, it's completely far fetched for us Brunner supporters to believe that because the trend lines show a dead heat races with undecideds trending to almost uniformally breaking to Brunner with 50% undecided still to go, that Brunner could win this thing. Apparently, there are alot of Democratic primary voters who don't buy your inevitability argument. Blame Hillary Clinton.<br><br>You see, at this point in the 2008 presidential Democratic primary, Lee Fisher is Hillary to Brunner's Obama. Yeah, there were plenty of political consultants like you wondering whether Obama's run would help or hurt his chances to be part of the Hillary ticket. Because she had all this money and institutional support.<br><br>How'd that work out? Ryan, the only way you can concluded that Lee Fisher has a 50/50 chance is by saying since there's two general election candidates and one has to win. By that logic, then Jennifer Brunner has the same odds.

Lee Fisher has NEVER, EVER been outspent in a campaign and won (in fact, he has lost several times. And yet, you concede that he is, in all likelihood, going to be outspent heavily. Lee Fisher has lost in better political environments against weaker GOP opponents than he likely will fact in 2010.

You cannot even type the words: Lee Fisher will beat Rob Portman. Under any scenerio.

Yes, it's completely far fetched for us Brunner supporters to believe that because the trend lines show a dead heat races with undecideds trending to almost uniformally breaking to Brunner with 50% undecided still to go, that Brunner could win this thing. Apparently, there are alot of Democratic primary voters who don't buy your inevitability argument. Blame Hillary Clinton.

You see, at this point in the 2008 presidential Democratic primary, Lee Fisher is Hillary to Brunner's Obama. Yeah, there were plenty of political consultants like you wondering whether Obama's run would help or hurt his chances to be part of the Hillary ticket. Because she had all this money and institutional support.

How'd that work out?

]]> By: ryanfissel http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/12/14/odps-opportunistic-cowardice-about-to-flush-odp-down-the-toilet/comment-page-1/#comment-111228 ryanfissel Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:20:00 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=8282#comment-111228 Come on...this is getting ridiculous. I can't believe you cannot understand that I can like someone but not support them in this race. I know you're smart but you're honestly coming off like you find it impossible to have more than one thought in your head at one time. My point is Lee Fisher is going to be the nominee - that's pretty much how its going to go. Its starting to get painful to watch you contort to come up with a scenario in which Brunner gets the nod. As much as you perceive that its time for an outside candidate it doesn't change the reality. As Al Franken said yesterday, you're entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. <br><br>As to if Lee Fisher beats Rob Portman? Hmm...I suppose we'll see. I think he has a good shot but its pretty much 50/50 at this point. I can tell you this: Rob Portman won't be defeated by the $111,000 that Jennifer Brunner had on hand at the last filing.<br><br>One other thing: Has Senator Sherrod Brown endorsed in this race? I couldn't find an evidence of it and I would imagine that he would come down on the side of Secretary Brunner. Come on…this is getting ridiculous. I can't believe you cannot understand that I can like someone but not support them in this race. I know you're smart but you're honestly coming off like you find it impossible to have more than one thought in your head at one time. My point is Lee Fisher is going to be the nominee – that's pretty much how its going to go. Its starting to get painful to watch you contort to come up with a scenario in which Brunner gets the nod. As much as you perceive that its time for an outside candidate it doesn't change the reality. As Al Franken said yesterday, you're entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts.

As to if Lee Fisher beats Rob Portman? Hmm…I suppose we'll see. I think he has a good shot but its pretty much 50/50 at this point. I can tell you this: Rob Portman won't be defeated by the $111,000 that Jennifer Brunner had on hand at the last filing.

One other thing: Has Senator Sherrod Brown endorsed in this race? I couldn't find an evidence of it and I would imagine that he would come down on the side of Secretary Brunner.

]]> By: modernesquire http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/12/14/odps-opportunistic-cowardice-about-to-flush-odp-down-the-toilet/comment-page-1/#comment-110833 modernesquire Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:52:15 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=8282#comment-110833 I'll take the bet and raise it with double or nothing that if Lee Fisher wins the primary, he'll lose the general election.<br><br>I'm assuming, Bill, since you're in a calling people out mood that you'll take that bet? Fissel, you, too? I'll take the bet and raise it with double or nothing that if Lee Fisher wins the primary, he'll lose the general election.

I'm assuming, Bill, since you're in a calling people out mood that you'll take that bet? Fissel, you, too?

]]> By: modernesquire http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/12/14/odps-opportunistic-cowardice-about-to-flush-odp-down-the-toilet/comment-page-1/#comment-110832 modernesquire Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:48:19 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=8282#comment-110832 Ryan, the only way you can concluded that Lee Fisher has a 50/50 chance is by saying since there's two general election candidates and one has to win. By that logic, then Jennifer Brunner has the same odds.<br><br>Lee Fisher has NEVER, EVER been outspent in a campaign and won (in fact, he has lost several times. And yet, you concede that he is, in all likelihood, going to be outspent heavily. Lee Fisher has lost in better political environments against weaker GOP opponents than he likely will fact in 2010.<br><br>You cannot even type the words: Lee Fisher will beat Rob Portman. Under any scenerio.<br><br>Yes, it's completely far fetched for us Brunner supporters to believe that because the trend lines show a dead heat races with undecideds trending to almost uniformally breaking to Brunner with 50% undecided still to go, that Brunner could win this thing. Apparently, there are alot of Democratic primary voters who don't buy your inevitability argument. Blame Hillary Clinton.<br><br>You see, at this point in the 2008 presidential Democratic primary, Lee Fisher is Hillary to Brunner's Obama. Yeah, there were plenty of political consultants like you wondering whether Obama's run would help or hurt his chances to be part of the Hillary ticket. Because she had all this money and institutional support.<br><br>How'd that work out? Ryan, the only way you can concluded that Lee Fisher has a 50/50 chance is by saying since there's two general election candidates and one has to win. By that logic, then Jennifer Brunner has the same odds.

Lee Fisher has NEVER, EVER been outspent in a campaign and won (in fact, he has lost several times. And yet, you concede that he is, in all likelihood, going to be outspent heavily. Lee Fisher has lost in better political environments against weaker GOP opponents than he likely will fact in 2010.

You cannot even type the words: Lee Fisher will beat Rob Portman. Under any scenerio.

Yes, it's completely far fetched for us Brunner supporters to believe that because the trend lines show a dead heat races with undecideds trending to almost uniformally breaking to Brunner with 50% undecided still to go, that Brunner could win this thing. Apparently, there are alot of Democratic primary voters who don't buy your inevitability argument. Blame Hillary Clinton.

You see, at this point in the 2008 presidential Democratic primary, Lee Fisher is Hillary to Brunner's Obama. Yeah, there were plenty of political consultants like you wondering whether Obama's run would help or hurt his chances to be part of the Hillary ticket. Because she had all this money and institutional support.

How'd that work out?

]]> By: ryanfissel http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/12/14/odps-opportunistic-cowardice-about-to-flush-odp-down-the-toilet/comment-page-1/#comment-110820 ryanfissel Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:20:00 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=8282#comment-110820 Come on...this is getting ridiculous. I can't believe you cannot understand that I can like someone but not support them in this race. I know you're smart but you're honestly coming off like you find it impossible to have more than one thought in your head at one time. My point is Lee Fisher is going to be the nominee - that's pretty much how its going to go. Its starting to get painful to watch you contort to come up with a scenario in which Brunner gets the nod. As much as you perceive that its time for an outside candidate it doesn't change the reality. As Al Franken said yesterday, you're entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. <br><br>As to if Lee Fisher beats Rob Portman? Hmm...I suppose we'll see. I think he has a good shot but its pretty much 50/50 at this point. I can tell you this: Rob Portman won't be defeated by the $111,000 that Jennifer Brunner had on hand at the last filing.<br><br>One other thing: Has Senator Sherrod Brown endorsed in this race? I couldn't find an evidence of it and I would imagine that he would come down on the side of Secretary Brunner. Come on…this is getting ridiculous. I can't believe you cannot understand that I can like someone but not support them in this race. I know you're smart but you're honestly coming off like you find it impossible to have more than one thought in your head at one time. My point is Lee Fisher is going to be the nominee – that's pretty much how its going to go. Its starting to get painful to watch you contort to come up with a scenario in which Brunner gets the nod. As much as you perceive that its time for an outside candidate it doesn't change the reality. As Al Franken said yesterday, you're entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts.

As to if Lee Fisher beats Rob Portman? Hmm…I suppose we'll see. I think he has a good shot but its pretty much 50/50 at this point. I can tell you this: Rob Portman won't be defeated by the $111,000 that Jennifer Brunner had on hand at the last filing.

One other thing: Has Senator Sherrod Brown endorsed in this race? I couldn't find an evidence of it and I would imagine that he would come down on the side of Secretary Brunner.

]]> By: modernesquire http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/12/14/odps-opportunistic-cowardice-about-to-flush-odp-down-the-toilet/comment-page-1/#comment-110816 modernesquire Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:34:01 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=8282#comment-110816 Yes, the last time the DSCC backed the wrong horse was all the way back in 2006. WAAAY back. Two cycles even.<br><br>Polls? Brunner's numbers in a primary head to head has gone up, not down.<br><br>Please drop the pretense that Jennifer is great when you've made it perfectly clear you've support Fisher all along. You've yet to give a single argument how Lee Fisher beats Rob Portman. Not one. Nor have you have responded to anything I've said. Not once.<br><br>United or divided. Rob Portman is going to beat Lee Fisher. You know that Ryan. That's why you have yet to even write the words: Lee Fisher will beat Rob Portman. You cannot even convince yourself that is true.<br><br>In one comment you write that Jennifer Brunner is a "dream candidate" after falsely criticizing me for presenting Brunner as "walking on water" and ignoring that Fisher (for reasons you don't explain) is a better suited for the Senate.<br><br>It's hard to debate someone who, like Fisher, is a moving target.<br><br>I cannot imagine a better time to go with the perceived "outside" candidate like Jennifer Brunner than right now. Yes, the last time the DSCC backed the wrong horse was all the way back in 2006. WAAAY back. Two cycles even.

Polls? Brunner's numbers in a primary head to head has gone up, not down.

Please drop the pretense that Jennifer is great when you've made it perfectly clear you've support Fisher all along. You've yet to give a single argument how Lee Fisher beats Rob Portman. Not one. Nor have you have responded to anything I've said. Not once.

United or divided. Rob Portman is going to beat Lee Fisher. You know that Ryan. That's why you have yet to even write the words: Lee Fisher will beat Rob Portman. You cannot even convince yourself that is true.

In one comment you write that Jennifer Brunner is a “dream candidate” after falsely criticizing me for presenting Brunner as “walking on water” and ignoring that Fisher (for reasons you don't explain) is a better suited for the Senate.

It's hard to debate someone who, like Fisher, is a moving target.

I cannot imagine a better time to go with the perceived “outside” candidate like Jennifer Brunner than right now.

]]> By: Deep Thoughts – by Modern Esquire http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/12/14/odps-opportunistic-cowardice-about-to-flush-odp-down-the-toilet/comment-page-1/#comment-110815 Deep Thoughts – by Modern Esquire Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:16:04 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=8282#comment-110815 [...] Tim Russo on December 15, 2009 · View commentsComments Take it away. I can say that Lee Fisher has been on the wrong side of many issues. It’s all a matter of [...] [...] Tim Russo on December 15, 2009 · View commentsComments Take it away. I can say that Lee Fisher has been on the wrong side of many issues. It’s all a matter of [...]

]]> By: ryanfissel http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/12/14/odps-opportunistic-cowardice-about-to-flush-odp-down-the-toilet/comment-page-1/#comment-110813 ryanfissel Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:32:56 +0000 http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=8282#comment-110813 I place this bet! $100 t0 the charity of Plunderbund's choice to the person betting for Jennifer Brunner. Someone tell me who gets the money! I place this bet! $100 t0 the charity of Plunderbund's choice to the person betting for Jennifer Brunner. Someone tell me who gets the money!

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